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Re: Как наколбасить...



Написано Rick | Thu, Apr 20 at 09:36am:

В ответ на: Как наколбасить... posted by ы-money on Thu, Apr 20 at 06:46am:

ы-money говорит, что,
: вообще мне мно-о-о-го нужно еще прочитать,
: изучить, попробовать, только вот к чему это все
: приведет... И вообще, есть ли связь между уровнем
: знаний о рынке и результатами торговли ?

В каком-то из форумов Motley Fool недавно была опубликована довольно поучительная история одного молодого инвестора:

Well, it looks like the powers that be finally wiped out my trading account. I learned a lot in the past year and a half, but after riding margin down and paying taxes, etrade sold the rest of my margin off at 2:08 pm eastern time today leaving me with 300 bucks. Thats right, they sold me out right before the market rallied big time in what would have left me with a close of at least 5K in the account. So is life, live and learn I guess, and I learned margin is the devil and am getting sold out at what is probably the begining of a massive rally. I'll give you a little background of my career and what I learned for those interested in reading.


Well, I started approximately 1 1/2 years ago in the stock market knowing absolutely nothing. I just read everything I could get my hands on and started learning as I went. I learned a lot too. I got started right in the middle of the 1998 crash and lost 40% to in the first couple of months on my original 6K investment. At this time I didn't even know what margin was fortunately or I would have been close to getting wiped out then.

By mid January of 99 I had a portfolio of 25K in value. I was one happy kid until the nets crashed sending me plumetting down to 7K which I held at throughout the summer before beginning to make a little back, finally getting to 12K or so by October. I still didn't have a margin account although I knew what one was at the time.

Around this time I found XLA, the stock of the decade in my opinion. I went in 100% and stirred up the Fools message boards when I made my announcement. I got responses like "double or nothing eventually leads to nothing," and "I hope you lose it all because if you don't lose it all this time, you will eventually lose it all in another stock going in 100%." Well needless to say XLA had a great run taking my portfolio to nearly 50K by years end and I was trading in and out of that stock like crazy so I will eventually have to pay my taxes on those gains. Also needless to say, you guys here on the fool are 10 times smarter than me. You told me it would happen and I wouldn't listen. I have learned my lesson now though.

Well I continued to do well in the early part of this year and began using a little marging. In late Febuary I decided I would take a little off the table if I hit 100K in the market and buy me a new SUV so I would have something to show for my investments even if I lost it all. Well on march 10 I hit my high of 97K and unfortunately never got my new SUV.

About a week later I was at around 45K and decided to go 100% into CMGI. I kept my 200 shares and bought some JUNE 125 options leaving me with a little in margin. I thought I was safe. I thought CMGI wouldn't go below 100. Boy was I wrong. Oh yeah, I also posted it on this board and got the response "double or nothing eventually leads to nothing." Man should I have listened.

Well, I took about 6K out to pay taxes late last week and went on margin to do it, and now etrade sold my assets at 2:08 this afternoon leaving me only 300 bucks when at the close I would have had 4-5K. Disappointing to say the least. With 5K, I could make a comeback, with 300, I am dead in the water.

Okay thats my history and now lets see what I have learned and hopefully others will learn from my mistakes.

1. MARGIN IS THE DEVIL
There is now no doubt in my mind margin is the
devil. I will never in my life use it again. I
will invest what I have and only what I have. Do
not use margin if you wanna continue investing
throughout your life because you will eventually
get called.

2. Double or nothing eventually leads to nothing
Very true, I found out first hand

3. Don't put all your eggs in on basket
I did it many times before, don't think I will do
it ever again, although it does have its advantages
in realitively small accounts

These are the three biggest things I learned and is the best advice I can give to anyone wanting to prosper in the market. I spent my time learning options and looking for trends and figuring how I could make a million before I was 21 and not enough time focusing on the basics. I should have focused on diversifing and buying high quality companies and don't forget taxes. Yes, long term buy and hold does have its advantages. Taxes were a killer for my and my short term trading taxes.

I guess this will be my last post for a while as I leave the market for a time. At least I will be able to focus completly on school better.

Don't worry about me though, I will be back. It will take time, but I will be back. My goal is to slowly accumulate 100K before I graduate which is probably 3-4 years away since I am co-op'ing at GT. I will sock away all the money I can into this market gradually buying the leaders. I will not only invest in tech but also old economy to get diversity. I had the false since that holding one B2B play and one Infrastructure play was diversification in this market, but now I know it isn't. I will not use MARGIN, i plan on opening a new account and not applying for margin because if it is there I will want to use it and I don't need that again.

I bid these boards farewell for now though, but hope to see you all again in the future. I feel like it was best for me to lose it all now at the tender age of 19 rather than lose it all 15 years from now. I guarantee that it want happen again, thats for sure. I have time on my side and the knowledge I have gained may be worth more than all the money I have gained and lost.

Good luck to all and for Gods sake stay off of MARGIN

By the way, I'm not the greatest writer, so hopefully it wasn't too hard to read if you actually read this far.


Все ответы
Judgement Day - Genrich on Sun, Apr 16 at 05:52am
  Re: Judgement Day - Петrович on Sun, Apr 16 at 2:05pm
    Заговор американцев... - Prudent on Tue, Apr 18 at 03:26am
      Re: Заговор американцев... - Grizly on Wed, Apr 19 at 02:50am
        Re: Заговор американцев... - Andrei on Sun, Jan 21 at 12:33am
        Re: Заговор американцев... - Prudent on Thu, Apr 20 at 05:35am
          Re: Заговор американцев... - Grizly on Thu, Apr 20 at 07:22am
            Re: Заговор американцев... - Prudent on Thu, Apr 20 at 11:33am
      Re: Заговор американцев... - Алекс on Tue, Apr 18 at 06:52am
        Re: Заговор американцев... - Prudent on Tue, Apr 18 at 1:48pm
          Re: Заговор американцев... - Алекс on Wed, Apr 19 at 04:37am
            Re: Заговор американцев... - Prudent on Thu, Apr 20 at 05:38am
              Как наколбасить... - ы-money on Thu, Apr 20 at 06:46am
                Re: Как наколбасить... - Prudent on Thu, Apr 20 at 11:31am
                  Re: Как наколбасить... - ы-money on Thu, Apr 20 at 12:34am
                    Re: Как наколбасить... - Prudent on Fri, Apr 21 at 03:16am
                      Re: Как наколбасить... - DT on Mon, Apr 24 at 03:22am
                        Re: Как наколбасить... - Prudent on Mon, Apr 24 at 12:38am
                          Re: Как наколбасить... - DT on Mon, Apr 24 at 8:54pm
                            Re: Как наколбасить... - Prudent on Tue, Apr 25 at 02:29am
                              Re: Как наколбасить... - DT on Tue, Apr 25 at 04:27am
                                Re: Как наколбасить... - Bell on Tue, Apr 25 at 06:10am
                                  Re: Как наколбасить... - DT on Tue, Apr 25 at 8:44pm
                                Re: Как наколбасить... - Prudent on Tue, Apr 25 at 06:04am
                                  Re: Как наколбасить... - DT on Tue, Apr 25 at 8:39pm
                                    Re: Как наколбасить... - Prudent on Thu, Apr 27 at 06:13am
                                      Re: Как наколбасить... - Алекс on Thu, Apr 27 at 12:17am
                      Re: Как наколбасить... - ы-money on Fri, Apr 21 at 03:58am
                        Бычий рынок... - Prudent on Fri, Apr 21 at 2:02pm
                          Re: Бычий рынок... - ы-money on Sat, Apr 22 at 05:57am
                            Re: Бычий рынок... - Prudent on Sun, Apr 23 at 03:16am
                              Re: Бычий рынок... - ы-money on Sun, Apr 23 at 08:54am
                                Re: Бычий рынок... - Prudent on Sun, Apr 23 at 11:50am
                                  Re: Бычий рынок... - ы-money on Sun, Apr 23 at 3:55pm
                                    Re: Бычий рынок... - Prudent on Mon, Apr 24 at 03:11am
                                      Re: Бычий рынок... - ы-money on Mon, Apr 24 at 04:22am
                                        Re: Бычий рынок... - Prudent on Mon, Apr 24 at 1:09pm
                                          Re: Бычий рынок... - Bell on Mon, Apr 24 at 6:02pm
                                            Re: Бычий рынок... - Prudent on Tue, Apr 25 at 02:41am
                                              Ребята, если вас вовремя не остановить ... - DMTR on Tue, Apr 25 at 03:24am
                                                Re: Ребята, если вас вовремя не остановить ... - Bell on Tue, Apr 25 at 12:25am
                                                To DMTR, очень интересно, но не понятно - Luxus on Tue, Apr 25 at 05:06am
                                                  OK, computer - DMTR on Tue, Apr 25 at 05:19am
                                          Re: Бычий рынок... - ы-money on Mon, Apr 24 at 1:42pm
                                            Re: Бычий рынок... - Prudent on Tue, Apr 25 at 02:40am
                                              Re: Бычий рынок... - СергейЮ on Tue, Apr 25 at 03:33am
                                                Re: Бычий рынок... - Prudent on Tue, Apr 25 at 06:05am
                                                  Re: Бычий рынок... - СергейЮ on Tue, Apr 25 at 06:22am
                                                    Re: Бычий рынок... - Prudent on Wed, Apr 26 at 06:31am
                                                      Re: Бычий рынок... - СергейЮ on Wed, Apr 26 at 10:25am
                                              Не совсем верно - DMTR on Tue, Apr 25 at 03:31am
                                                Re: Не совсем верно - Prudent on Tue, Apr 25 at 06:03am
                                                  Re: Не совсем верно - DMTR on Tue, Apr 25 at 07:24am
                                  Re: Бычий рынок... - Bell on Sun, Apr 23 at 12:11am
                                    Re: Бычий рынок... - Prudent on Mon, Apr 24 at 03:09am
                                Re: Бычий рынок... - Петrович on Sun, Apr 23 at 10:51am
                                  Re: Бычий рынок... - ы-money on Sun, Apr 23 at 2:50pm
                                    Re: Бычий рынок... - Петrович on Sun, Apr 23 at 3:10pm
                                      Re: Бычий рынок... - ы-money on Sun, Apr 23 at 4:11pm
                                        А вы батенька, оптимист... - Петrович on Sun, Apr 23 at 4:29pm
                                          Re: А вы батенька, оптимист... - ы-money on Sun, Apr 23 at 5:06pm
                                            Re: А вы батенька, оптимист... - Петrович on Mon, Apr 24 at 02:19am
                                              Re: А вы батенька, оптимист... - ы-money on Mon, Apr 24 at 03:35am
                Re: Как наколбасить... - Rick on Thu, Apr 20 at 09:36am
                Re: Как наколбасить... - Алекс on Thu, Apr 20 at 09:11am
      Re: Заговор американцев... - Петrович on Tue, Apr 18 at 03:51am
        Re: Заговор американцев... - Prudent on Tue, Apr 18 at 1:46pm
    Re: Judgement Day - Алекс on Mon, Apr 17 at 03:44am
      Re: Judgement Day - DMTR on Mon, Apr 17 at 04:03am
        Re: Judgement Day - Алекс on Mon, Apr 17 at 06:25am
          Re: Judgement Day - DMTR on Mon, Apr 17 at 06:52am
            Re: Judgement Day - Mr.Sell on Wed, Apr 19 at 1:24pm
            Вопрос, раз уж речь зашла... - Алекс on Mon, Apr 17 at 08:52am
              Re: Вопрос, раз уж речь зашла... - DMTR on Mon, Apr 17 at 08:59am
                Re: Вопрос, раз уж речь зашла... - Алекс on Mon, Apr 17 at 09:06am
    Re: бухучет - Bell on Sun, Apr 16 at 3:36pm
      Re: бухучет - DMTR on Mon, Apr 17 at 04:12am
        Re: бухучет - Bell on Mon, Apr 17 at 04:40am
      Re: бухучет - Петrович on Sun, Apr 16 at 4:14pm
        Re: бухучет - Bell on Sun, Apr 16 at 5:24pm
          Re: бухучет - Newcomer on Sun, Apr 16 at 7:45pm
            Re: бухучет - Петrович on Mon, Apr 17 at 05:26am
              Re: бухучет - Newcomer on Mon, Apr 17 at 08:52am
          Re: бухучет - М on Sun, Apr 16 at 7:04pm
            Re: бухучет - Bell on Sun, Apr 16 at 7:29pm
  Re: Judgement Day - Gross on Sun, Apr 16 at 06:13am


 




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